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Post by captainmo81 on Jul 8, 2015 0:29:43 GMT
I'm new to this game as most of us are here. I would like to voice my opinion about guild battles but I really want everyone to voice theirs as well. First part we ALL get more points if we win the battle so that is very important. To me though the biggest part is to get everyone in the guild the points they need to get angelmon. Holt is doing a great job ( or the best he can do without everyone letting him know when they got their points.) Of rotating everyone in and out. But if us bigger players don't leave the easiest players for our weaker players then how can they get any points? And if they can't get their angelmon then they will never catch up. I believe this is why kyo wanted everyone to be lower level when he started the guild that way everyone can grow together. We need to work as a team and help our newer players grow so that we can become the best team not just a few great players. Again just my opinion please chime in and tell me what you think or any hints to guild battles.
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Post by captainmo81 on Jul 8, 2015 0:32:51 GMT
I also think if people can't help the team by leaving easiest targets alone they should be warned. If they continue they should be put on the sidelines. And if they keep it up after that they should be kicked. Imo i think everyone should be working for the team. What do you guys think?
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Post by rik1001 on Jul 8, 2015 0:41:04 GMT
Thank you, this has been annoying me a bit too, just seeing high level players kill enemies who have lv 1 monsters on their defence... it's not going to make us win the guild battles.
If an enemy is at 0% health nobody can attack it anymore so this heavily affects the lower lvled players.
I do think people who keep attacking the easier targets, just because it's easy for them, should indeed have some kind of punishment. Being put on sidelines is a great idea.
However many of our guild members have not logged on onto this forum yet.. these people know the forum exist because it's in the guild message. Really just delete them if they dont log on here..?
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Post by mrlinks on Jul 8, 2015 1:38:31 GMT
I agree, I try to attack monsters similar to my levels, or wait until most people attacked already.
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Post by visionsofllama on Jul 8, 2015 4:30:08 GMT
I think this post sums it all up. We work great as a team (light dungeon farm ftw!) and that should be applied to guild battles too! Take a couple seconds to scope the field and maybe even check the current people fighting (hit the members button and see the swords). I try to suss out how many people are lower than me and work that into my decision. The more we work together and win the more efficient it is to get everyone our 4* angel mons and then if everyone gets theirs we can work towards guild banners too. I'm not saying higher level people can't target lower levels or anything, just be aware of what the field looks like and try to set the guild up for a win so we all benefit! Relevant Guild Battle Video by Kyo regarding this: www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPg-Q1r-f7c#t=9m25s |
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Post by solmara on Jul 8, 2015 4:49:49 GMT
I have a few points I want to get across because I think they haven't been mentioned yet here or in kik.
1) Although I haven't yet participated in a gb yet this week (I saved up for a rainbowmon and I don't mind being subbed out, just saying) I looked at the opponents that weren't attacked last guild battle and our top members wouldn't even be able to tie vs most of the full hp guys, let alone kill a single monster. A few nat 5's at 6 stars with amazing runes... No thanks. Not only are nat 5's already amazing, but 6 star runes make your monster several magnitudes better. Even the guy who only had 2 monsters on defense was probably too tough.
2) This point is for people who are not trying to help the guild win when attacking. We're going to win some and lose some, especially before giants b10 kicks in. A loss here means a decrease in mmr where we can win later and vice versa. Winning a guild battle will yield a lot more gb than the measly +6 you're getting by attacking the easy +3's. Also, leaving easy opponents allows the newer members of the guild to get their rainbowmon which means you'll be subbed out less. If you truly want to be selfish and maximize your guild points, you should help your team win in any way possible.
3) Although I do understand top members should probably wait a bit for lower members to attack first, if you're on the lower end and over a certain amount of hours late you are on your own. We have no idea if you are actually going to attack. Those free wins need to be eventually taken down. Hopefully people leave them at 10% hp as much as possible.
4) This problem is mostly temporary. As we increase in rating, (a) the people who will be +3 will actually be the harder opponents and it will all work itself out. Also, (b) we'll have more monsters to risk losing some in fights, right now most of us are at the stage where if we lose a monster we don't have any replacement. At that point, maximizing your points and going for the win will be almost the same thing as long as you don't attack people at like 10%.
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Post by Holtb8098 on Jul 8, 2015 5:18:00 GMT
Here's how I go about the battles. I grab a sure thing on first fight, whether it's a +3 or not doesn't matter, I just won't risk losing either of my 2 6* and top monsters in the first fight, period. The second fight, I go for someone who has other 5* monsters and even a 6* tossed in, if I can build a comp that has a chance at winning.
If I lose my big monsters on the second round, I am going to pick off someone I know I can win against and not miss out on doing well.
Third round, and I just recently started this, I leave this fight open until the battle is nearly over. I didn't even use my 3rd fight Monday night as we had already won, I didn't want to refresh energy just to get that extra fight in.
If I have all monsters available to me on my third fight, I am picking on the biggest kid in the play ground and hoping to pull a David vs. Goliath on him. Many times this is where you see my draws come in, I'll win half by having my 2 6*monsters on one fight and lose the second round as I just don't have the power to take on another round of 5* and 6* mons.
I've yet to actually lose a fight but I've bitten off more than I could handle on the second round a few times and lost my biggest monsters.
I also want to point out, there's a lot of finger pointing at the higher level players in the guild for picking off the "easy" targets. I don't want this to derail into a bitch session about that happening. Fact is no one in the guild, even the few level 40 we have, have more than a couple of 6* monsters. Level 40 =/= loads of 6* monsters.
Matter of fact I visited everyone level 35+, NO ONE has more than 2 6* monsters right now. So, consider this, when you see a player in GB against us that has 2 6* monsters or more - NO ONE is likely to challenge that player.
Last but not least, logging on after the first 2-3 hours the battle as started and expecting to find easy low level targets is asinine. It really is a first come first serve process right now. Yes, that sucks if you're level 21 and have 1 5* monster and 3 4* monsters. Reality is, you're not ready for GB anyway, 90% of guilds don't even accept people under or at least have 6 5* monsters to field a roster. We are not that kind of guild, yet... One day, but for now, we're a fan guild with direct access to a wonderful person who wants to help every person who plays. That person may be crazy but we've got some direct access right now and we're in a very good spot. We have won some battles that we probably shouldn't have, simply because Kyo has laid down some great bases for us to build off of.
All hail the mighty Kyo =)
It is a game, let's have fun and try that extra step to consider others when making choices that will actually affect others. 99% of our decisions in game has little to no concern for others, but GB does.
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Post by cky015 on Jul 8, 2015 6:10:55 GMT
I second everything holt said.
I am lvl 38 and have 1 6* monster. I try to attack the harder opponents as often as possible.
Of course higher players shouldn't attack the lvl 1 if there are other targets left and they have a chance of beating them.
One thing I want to add is and that might sound a bit harsh but if people are still not willing to sign up on here or join us on kik which really takes only a minute or two they should be kicked. That is the easiest thing you can do to support the guild and to help everyone to get better. But that is my personal opinion and this decision is up to the guild leaders.
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Post by visionsofllama on Jul 8, 2015 11:34:56 GMT
...I also want to point out, there's a lot of finger pointing at the higher level players in the guild for picking off the "easy" targets. I don't want this to derail into a bitch session about that happening... Yes, that sucks if you're level 21 and have 1 5* monster and 3 4* monsters. Reality is, you're not ready for GB anyway, 90% of guilds don't even accept people under or at least have 6 5* monsters to field a roster. We are not that kind of guild, yet.. When I mentioned this is the Kik channel I wasn't intending to rustle any jimmies or start a bitch session  . I just mentioned a trend I saw of higher level people hitting the +3 easy targets, especially when there were beatable teams in there. I was just worried this may become a normal thing and was more of a "hey guys this is happening are we cool with this?" though I probably wasn't the most articulate person that early in the morning! Take what I said with a grain of salt, I don't expect anyone to go against teams they can't win or do anything crazy, that's counter productive. Since we are a mixed guild with lower level people in it, just be aware that if people do pick off easy targets then the lower group may have trouble picking up that last few % we need to win (not that I expect we'll win every battle... yet!). I'm not asking you to wait for hours or never attack, just have a team mindset on though and if there are some harder teams you can hit (and think you can kill) then please try to use your final (or second if you wish) battle on them. As for the second part, I probably fall near that end of the spectrum of being lower level and having 1 5*. That's why I'm following Kyo so I can become better and stronger. I know I'll struggle in guild battles VS higher end people and I wouldn't be able to join a normal guild but that's what's great about Kyo is that he accepted us and gives us that opportunity to grow. Try to support us just a little bit and help us grow into the dream team I know we can all become. I really like this guild and you are all awesome people, so let's all support each other and make Kyo proud. Bless RNGesus Kyo, may he make the odds forever in our favour! |
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Post by Holtb8098 on Jul 8, 2015 14:38:35 GMT
Tons of salt and no feathers rustled. You had a concern, shared it and others had input as well, which is why I asked to be taken to the forum out of kik. The concern is real and shared. I just didn't want it to be a rift in the group and being on the other side of the fence as one of the higher level players felt the other side of the discussion had to be shared as well (devils advocate).
Hey we're 2 weeks old and picking off some guilds with a lot higher level players pretty consistently - we're on a good path.
I honestly hope this thread gets necro'd in a few months and people still take what is said in here with the concern and respect for others we're trying to bring up.
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Post by pooke899 on Jul 8, 2015 17:05:17 GMT
My problem in many of the guild battles are simply that i cant beat the opponent. I dont have that many super monsters and i only have a handfull of 5 star runes on my mons, so many of the guild battles i i just cant beat. I try and look for people on my level and then i beat them i dont look at how many points i get i just try and beat what i can.. And if theres a guy with crappy defense i still take a look around to see if i can actually win and let someone else take the small guys.
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Post by voxtrot87 on Jul 9, 2015 2:43:04 GMT
It would be really great to have a list of who will be fighting on what days so we can know whether or not we are needed, and to ensure we are on and fighting during those times. I can always hop on during a break at work, but need to know and make sure I have energy saved. Otherwise im mindlessly auto farming for xp.
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Post by cky015 on Jul 9, 2015 6:27:11 GMT
If you have 5* monsters with a handful of 5* runes you can beat most of the opponents. Just try it and with the right setup it should be no problem.
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Post by SilentLihn on Jul 9, 2015 12:10:40 GMT
Just keep in mind that we will most on the time face lvl40 teams.
Some of them will have a weak def team to lose, but sometime they will be a pain in the *** to beat. Just chill, we will be able to beat then soonish.
I don't get the point of arguing for this at this point.
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Post by leedmx on Jul 9, 2015 12:58:04 GMT
Dont worry too much about GB strat at the moment, we are way too weak to pose a serious threat, however, since Im one of the few lvl 40 heres what I usually do:
1) I go for an oponnent im sure i can beat, the highest one i found that could present a threat to low level guildmates but that i still can handle.
2) Then I go for the meanest team i find, this is a battle to burn my high hitters I go in knowing that i might actually lose them
3) If my heavy hitters are still alive i go for the hardest i can find, only in this third attack i do look for the towers with highest hp. If, however, my heavy hitters are dead i just look for an easy battle in which i can at least get a draw with what i have left.
In none of the 3 attempts i care about the +1, +2 or +3 bonus, even tho higher lvl oponents usually have it this should not be a factor to take a decision.
Tower HP is important, since I have a responsibility to help out as much as i can, if i find an scenario with two players with kind of the same difficulty level ill go for the higher HP because i can end up getting up to 15.5 HP% off (you do 30 + 25 if you win two battles against a full hp tower)
This method usually leaves low level targets free to attack, however it has happened that i end up drawing in the secon fight and without a decent monster so a few times i had to go and get those troll defenses in the third fight.
Regarding at what time I enter the battle i dont pay much attention to it.. if i log in and theres gb ill join and try to get as much HP off as i can, i really dont mind gettin like 1 gb per battle.
And finally, couple of tips, im sure Kyo will give us an indepth strat at some point, but in the meantime,
I found that usually the best composition is to have a healer, an attacker, and a buffer or debuffer depending on your enemys comp.
Try to focus on their dmg dealer hes usually the squishiest.
Focus on the healers only if you have elemental advantage, if not, try to keep him under cc while taking down their dmg dealer.
Dont waste turns tryin to take out the tankiest ones you'll manage the enemy much better if you leave the tankiest last.
You can just quit the battle if you're about to lose any heavy hitter and you see that there is no way you can win it, it might be a nice way to lose a battle but win another one.
You can go in with just fodder into the first battle, lose it and have you real team winning the second one, at this rank in gb usually second defenses are weaker.
And well thats it guys hope it helps, and lets keep winning gp...
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. I just mentioned a trend I saw of higher level people hitting the +3 easy targets, especially when there were beatable teams in there. I was just worried this may become a normal thing and was more of a "hey guys this is happening are we cool with this?" though I probably wasn't the most articulate person that early in the morning! Take what I said with a grain of salt, I don't expect anyone to go against teams they can't win or do anything crazy, that's counter productive. Since we are a mixed guild with lower level people in it, just be aware that if people do pick off easy targets then the lower group may have trouble picking up that last few % we need to win (not that I expect we'll win every battle... yet!). I'm not asking you to wait for hours or never attack, just have a team mindset on though and if there are some harder teams you can hit (and think you can kill) then please try to use your final (or second if you wish) battle on them.
